ATF on the Chopping Block Again, So Brace for Waco 2

Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) has introduced legislation to abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Gun-running, Explosives, and Childkilling, also known as ATF or BATFE. According to his proposal, he thinks the ATF’s ‘duties’ (I use the term loosely) could be absorbed by the FBI and DEA. If the bill passes, then the ATF has six months to come up with a plan for how it’ll dissolve.

While a lot of folks are cheering because Drain The Swamp and Take Our Country Back and all of that stuff, they’re missing a whole other layer to this situation.

Remember last time the ATF was up for dissolution? That was in 1993. When Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) proposed back then that ATF needed to be dissolved, the agency scrambled to find a way to justify its own existence. Surely, if they had a big bust, a big save, the government would see how very important and necessary they were. But who could they arrest? What could they do to prove they needed to stick around?

They decided to go after a guy in Texas, named Vernon Howell–known to his church as David Koresh. The rest, as they say, is history; a bloody, horrifying, charred and craven piece of history that proved only the depravity of the ATF and the greater federal government.

Why does this matter now? Because depravity doesn’t lessen over time. The government has more capability now, more reasons for self-preservation, and those who would stand against them are awakening as well. The battlespace is the same in some ways and yet very different in others.

In short, if you think the ATF will go quietly into the good night, you are sorely mistaken, and history shows that they are willing to do anything–even knowingly and with malice gas and blow up children–to ensure their place at the table.

What does that mean for us? Take a look around. In the state of Washington alone, two major gun bills are on the table that would result in crippling blows to firearm rights. Oregon is in the same position, as a gun-hungry governor has made it her mission to disarm the populace. In both states, there are a large number of armed and defiant patriots. Do that math.

Now add in the informant variable. We already know that the government is willing to pay nearly any price and wait any length of time to infiltrate, facilitate and even coerce people into doing ‘illegal’ things. Look at Kenneth Fadeley and Randy Weaver. How many months and even years in he spend pushing Weaver to saw off some shotguns for him? How many lies were told? How much (taxpayer) money was spent? In case you think that was a long time ago and that doesn’t happen anymore, go read about Bill Keebler’s case. The feds put three undercover guys on one, for 18 months. Think about that. Three.  Keebler got tag-teamed, for a year and a half. Was he playing stupid games? Yes. Did the agents create the game, or did it occur organically? No way to know now, is there?

Look at the Malheur refuge. Now, anyone who knows me knows that while I supported a stand on behalf of the Hammonds, I didn’t support the moronic, ill-prepared, wholly-infiltrated ruckus that went on at Malheur. That’s a whole other issue, not for this article. But let’s take a moment to think about the total manpower, money, and time that the ATF, FBI, and other agencies put into just the informants and undercover agents. Now think about how far they’ve gone to protect the names of those informants and undercover agents. Why do you think that is? Here’s a hint–it’s not because those folks are retiring to a remote piece of Arizona.

Now let’s put it all together.

You’ve got a scandal-ridden agency with a proven history of both depraved indifference to human life and overt, premeditated targeting of children (and then a coverup on top of it, characterized by two decades of lies and more depravity to ensure the story stays buried), and this agency is threatened with extinction. They’ve already proven that they will do anything, kill anyone, and lie as much as they have to in order to justify their own existence. That’s one side of the equation.

On the other side, you have a bunch of folks who, let’s face it, run the gamut between fairly well-meaning but poorly trained, and mouth-breathing morons who either want a confrontation, or are too stupid to avoid one. Within that side are a host of folks who also can’t tell a federal informant if she’s cooking them breakfast—literally.  You’ve got the ego-driven, the ‘Meal Team Sixers,’ the liars and posers and everyone else. That’s pretty much the other side.

Between those two sides are a group of people who are forced to spend a fair amount of their time either talking to people about how to not be stupid, or standing outside yet another event that got stupid because of stupid people, or trying to not get pegged as one of the many stupid people. These folks are training. They’re building local communities. They’re reading books and learning new skills and teaching others the skills they already have. They’re not looking to take over the next landmark or start the next national ruckus. They’re too busy learning, training, and working.

Imagine that situation now, if you will. Depraved federal agency and morons, with the solid folks in the middle trying to keep things from getting out of control. You can argue that this isn’t how it is, but you’d be wrong.

Now imagine that the depraved agency is cornered and faced with extinction. It’s like a rat in a trap, and it’s looking for someone—anyone—it can use to save itself.

What do you think is going to happen here?

One of the the things that Mike Vanderboegh used to say is “No more free Wacos.” In 2017, it’s quite possible that we will all be faced with the question, “or what?

19 Replies to “ATF on the Chopping Block Again, So Brace for Waco 2”

  1. Not to be nit-picking, but although the BATF initiated the assault in Waco, I believe it was the FBI and it’s infamous HRT that presided over the final gassing and burning of the Branch Davidians…but then again I think you covered that under your reference to the “depravity of the ATF and the greater federal government”.
    I agree that the Trump administration has its work cut out for them in the Draining process. Lets hope they can at least put a bit of a damper on the insanity. Trump’s election is just the beginning.

    1. I don’t know where to get the most exposure for my comment but agree with the flavor of those made. I would like to introduce/ask a question. Being from the State of WI, I am still not sure what the stand of the Rep. proposing the dismantle of the “Convenience Store” (I love that analogy) group relative to his like/dislike of the incoming President. I have definite negative feelings about the “Speaker of the House” and stand on NO side of him in a scuffle. Has anyone considered that Rep. Sensenbrenner is the “match” being used to ignite an incident used to discredit the incoming POTUS? We have watched as the “inveterate liars” elected have done about face once they saw that “handwriting on the wall”. An “R” related to one’s name is no guarantee that you are on the side of POTUS (I put a Veteran by the name of McCain up as an example).

    2. Daid, you are correct, in that FBI was the end of the Branch Divisions. Yet it was curious that after the final fire, they ran a flag up the pole, white with black letters….”ATF”. The message was clear… While they didn’t strike the final blow, “F – Troop” won the fight, with a little help.
      The same arrogance that BLM showed at the Bunch Ranch. Feds stick together, especially under Administrations like Barry’s….

  2. Or what, indeed. Defend yourself against any trespassers, especially government trespassers with lethal force !

  3. And it is reported that the admitted co-president of the new Clinton and Clinton Administration gave the order to burn that compound of “deplorables”.

  4. ATF will do a False Flag incident even larger than the OKC demolition blaming some “domestic conspiracy”; the higher the body count, the more justification for ATF existence. I would guess the ATF “Fast & Furious” op wasn’t meeting profit expectations.

  5. Definitely BATFE — I refer to the agency simply as “BatFeces” — is at the best of times a threat to constitutional liberty. But I take at least a modicum of hope in the knowledge that the very-likely-incoming Attorney General, Jeff Sessions of Alabama, isn’t Janet Reno.

  6. The incoming personnel are not, by any stretch, babes in the woods here folks. The false flag ops conducted by that group were conducted when? During Demo-Rat administration(s)..and the one attempted Gun running operation was exposed rather quickly after big ears and Holder were in office. Look, these idiots in the Gumment are NOT the evil geniuses you all like to portray them as. This incoming group of appointees, from General (Ret) Kelly of Homeland Security to Sen Jeff Sessions for AG and others – they are NOT idiots or babes in the wilderness. There are still PLENTY of true patriots within the ranks of these agencies who have kept their heads down and powder dry – waiting for the time when the American people would wake up and throw out the trash. Slow your roll with the doomsday scenarios – this ain’t the Sonny boy Bush group – and it damn sure isn’t a bunch of bumbling rubes.

  7. “Between those two sides are a group of people who are forced to spend a fair amount of their time either talking to people about how to not be stupid, or standing outside yet another event that got stupid because of stupid people, or trying to not get pegged as one of the many stupid people. These folks are training. They’re building local communities. They’re reading books and learning new skills and teaching others the skills they already have. They’re not looking to take over the next landmark or start the next national ruckus. They’re too busy learning, training, and working.”
    I’m to busy tranning…let them bring me their guns.that’s my answer!

  8. The media and the internet are going to make a big impact on the game this time. This will go down like a soap opera in the MSM and be seen as conspiracy nutitudes on parts of the internet.

    Hope there’s 3% still out there.

  9. In the end what difference does it make what the agency name is? All of Leviathan’s secret police are murdering lying Nazi swine. It’s like saying the duties of the Einsatzgruppen will transfer to Division Dirlewanger. There’s no difference to the folks getting into the boxcars.

    1. This. Throw the local stormtrooper swine in there too. Whatever difference there was is all but gone. The enforcers will never permit this to be the land of the free…

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